community jury is 51% fake

[atscruise]

yes dis communtiy court is 51% fake.

is always reverts backa negative reply to der dear sellers with exactly 51% votes.

i had bought an Nokia Bh214 bluetooth head set with ITEMnO. 180535309185. which was delivered by ONESTOPJUPITER .i found headfone fake and gave the due feadback OF negative.

and den the big EBAY_DRAMA started. i had specifically writen in my comments dat the headfone is fake and even gave proffs.i m still willing to give an AFFIDAVIT over dat.but wat dis sellers very own community court has done is joke. de haven't relied to my comments and simply gave pass to that fraud ONESTOPJUPITER

my only intension for the feeadback dat i had given was to make new buyer of that product to be aware of of the Discrepancies in the product delivered.i never said that ONESTOPjUPITER BE BLOCKED OR PENALIZED.

i think ill be going to Consumer court now.ILL drag dis evil practice of Ebay to SAVE der fraud sellers just to make few more bucks by cheating innocent and negligent consumers.

Ebay is befooling consumers in the anme of OEM products and citing the reason for the product to be not similar to the one in market as , "its imported from some other country. there they have dis model dat we have provide"

u morons

[zebedeezip]

I too strongly fail that the Community Court has strong flaws. In my recent experience, the Seller did not ship the items - 2 auctions - both not shipped, neither the Seller had courtesey to send me a mail as to why he is not able to ship and no apology at all! He appealed on the -ve rating I gave and both the negative listings were removed! I have totally lost faith in the community court.

[anandxyz]

@yashjagait, that seller is a cheater i have nothing personal against him , i will keep u posted about why i gave him negative feedback i bought one more item from him he claimed its a Japanese product world radio 1-9 band charged 300 for it but he sent totally different set a china made product and its market price is less then 200 rs only have 7 band , i am keeping close watch at feedbacks other buyers giving him i know how cleverly he is misusing ebay court just look buyers feedback history for him u will notice how many negative feedback he is getting read his feedback history carefully , i left negative feedback for him he has not open any case for world radio till now , i am waiting for it , so that i can prove with pics and other evidence how big cheat he is and how he misusing ebay court so bro tell him to open case against me .

[anandxyz]

i never said all sellers are bad i knew many good sellers i am still buying on ebay i bought many item after that bad experience, i trust eaby that's why i am still buying from ebay .

[and-also]

See the fact is eBay has nothing got to do with the community court, community court is run by voluentering jury, and even you or any one can become a jury if the person has knowledge of both buying and selling, and good knowledge of ebay system.

Now the -ve feedback which you are using what do you get from the same ??? and sellers donot have any issues with the -ve feedback, if they were allowed to sale despite the same, and the -ve feedback is used as a constructive criticism, but eBay will suspend your seller if he has more then a prescribed number of -ve feedbacks.

Thus the need of community courts as then one day only a few sellers will e left on ebay who will monopolize the entire market place, more sellers means more competition and better services and better rates to the buyers.

Thus simple advise to all proponents of community court being FAKE, why don`t you all register as jury members and start deciding on cases, then you will understand from a third point perspective as why your cases are getting rejected with 51 percent majority to the seller.

See, the -ve feedback is the last resort and unique to ebay system, where by it utilises this data to penalise the seller, now i donot understand when you have ebay guarantee program running, umpteen other claim prgram running.

now also your return shipment cost is paid by ebay under ebay guarantee, what is the need of posting a -ve feedback, its entirely an ego issues, please donot wage a war with your seller, its like one of those school teachers, who used to make your life hell, if you did one mistake or erred as human in any of the homework or school, why are you pouring your daily life frustrations on the sellers, here, they already are made mute animals by ebay, as they cannot retaliate and are castrated to the extent, that any buyer can abuse the system and make hay, at the expense of his seller, if i am a buyer today i will 100 percent buy from ebay any goods, as such safety and claims are not availble in any other system.

The entire consumer interests are protected, try buying something from big bazaar and such big outlets and if after 10 days it goes faulty, see what they will do, and try posting a -ve feedback to them ??? what will happen nothing, so please donot denigrate the power given by the ebay system to the buyer.

Its a well known fact that ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY, that is what the buyers in ebay have become CORRUPTED, armtwisting for speedy delivery, threatening on each and every transaction with -ve feedback if even the goods donot smell right.

Yes check my feedback, i got a buyer who says, his home started smelling bad, by using one of the pouches we have sold, that is why she posted a negative feedback, if you become a jury you will see, how CORRUPT the buyers have become, thus i implore to all the buyers here to just become jury and experience the entire thing, then they too will vote in the favour of the seller.

As for all stupid reasons the buyers are posting -ve feedback, i donot deny that some sellers do deserve that, but 95 percent of the feedbacks are dumb, and just pure egoistic outbursts of buyers.

They really have started abusing the system, thus the need of community court to keep the eBay ECOSYSTEM in checks and balances.

And all democracies have an adjudication process, as ebay is a democratic market place it does too, you may put the -ve feedback, but its the community that decides whether you have abused the process or not.

Simple litmus test for your feedback whether it will be removed or not is, if you have communicated with the seller , and even even then he not been able to satisfactorily iron out your grievances or you did not have any other option left except -ve feedback, then only the jury will vote for the buyer.

Otherwise your -ve feedback is bound to be rescinded.Hope you will join the JURY instead of fuming here and see by yourself whether the court is FAKE or for REAL.

In my opinion this is the most groundbreaking, e-justice system, which should be implemented in other government adjudication processes too, as the jury will not have any pressure as whom to vote, and they are free, and their names are not disclosed and the justice is also fast.

Please do read the minimum requirements which are made keeping in mind that jury should have no prejudice against any sellers or buyers, and should have experience of both , only then he can be classified as fair.

[sohail_sta]

I agree that communtiy court is 100% fake as how exactly 51% voting favours the seller

[spl_ind]

It is because Buyers generally do not attend the court's voting session. Buyers come to court only when they have a problem. On the other hand, Seller casually visits the court every now and then to participate in the voting. Thus Buyers are outnumbered by Seller votes, and the result is decided as soon as the vote reaches 51%. It is obvious, that a Seller will support his fellow Sellers. If Buyers need to win then they have to visit the court casually whether you have any dispute with anyone or not.

[linusstudios]

Why its always 51% Percent-

Voting Starts. as soon as first 11 votes are reached in favor of removal, voting is completed and 51% majority message is send. Similarly if first 11 votes are given in favor of feedback to stay. 51% majority message is sent for feedback to stay.

Why Community court generally always passes decision in favor of removal?

1-Buyer many time do not read seller's terms and conditions before ordering. So sellers use that in case.

2- Buyer do not contact seller before leaving negative feedback. And again sellers use that in case.

3-Buyer's do not reply to community court messages.

One of my common observation is buyers are very prompt in leaving negative for low value items without contacting sellers. Because they dont care for 100, 200 Rs. But when it comes to any item over 1000 Rs they will make sure they contact sellers and get their money back instead of taking personal revenge by leaving negative feedbacks.

This is one of the main reason why we Indian sellers have low DSR's whereas in .com sellers' accounts its almost 4.9 in all fields. In west they dont make business matters personal.

Today eBay has all buyer protection programs, money is not only safe, it is double locked, So why make things personal and leave negatives. Negatives should be left only in extreme cases where seller is not co-operating at all.

[c153niyam]

Well said linusstudios ..thx sir, in your efforts to educate the buying public on ebay.in ...and u r sooo right, when it comes to higher end items! Then all of a sudden buyers are like einstein, smart bright lights and not tubelights anymore!!!

[and-also]

Well tips for buyers,if you want to win cases, instead of losing them.

Get your BASICS right

1)Communicate your problems with the seller
2)Give some time for him/her to get a resolution
3)if unhappy with the resolution try forwarding what you think will be fair in such sceanario
4)If nothing strikes, a item not as described case, and ebay guarantee claim.
5)if the seller doesnot here also cooperate and your claims get closed without you getting any resolution from ebay or seller.
6)Post a specific negative feedback, please note the negative feedback should be very professional and not ambiguous, or laden with contact details or personal remarks.
7)Now when the seller appeals in the community court, give all the facts, which shows to the JURY that the buyer was a good genuine eBayer, a good member with community values of eBay, and some injustice has been done to him, 10000 percent i promise the feedback will stay.

BUT for all stupid and non consequential reasons if the buyer posts a -ve feedback, on his own egos, without any rime or reason, or even when he had options to get his money back, he choose -ve feedback, the jury will vote for the seller, and get the -ve feedback removed.

If you follow my above guidelines and even then the negative feedback has been removed, then let us know, all sellers on this forum, we vouch for you, that we all will personally help that buyer, to get his amount back from that OBNOXIOUS SELLER, and see to it, that he doesnot malign our SELLER COMMUNITY NAME, and help you fully to kick him out, and retain your -ve feedback.

On behalf of all the active sellers on this forum, i personally take a vouch for the same, and all will 100 percent stand by me, for the same.The -ve feedback is for fraudsters, cheaters and such unscrupulos persons, have you ever read the basic TENETS posted by Pierre Omidyar for the -ve feedback, before launching your -ve feedback.Its right at the feedback forum page the bottom part is the open letter link of the founder, explaining as why the feedback forum was made and the rationale behind the same.

Please do read them, and then you will understand why this feedback forum is made, and why your -ve feedbacks are removed by the jury, they work on the basic judgements and principles of this feedback forum.

IF you use a -ve feedback for an innocent seller, who is not a cheater, swindler, or a schemer, 100 percent the jury will remove the same.And give justice to the seller.

[and-also]

here is the link please read the ebay founders open letter and please mark his last sentences """Above all, conduct yourself in a professional manner. Deal with others the way you would have them deal with you. Remember that you are usually dealing with individuals, just like yourself. Subject to making mistakes. Well-meaning, but on wrong occasion. That's just human. We can live with that. We can deal with that. We can still make deals with that. """

http://pages.ebay.in/services/forum/feedback-foundersnote.html